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Stiffness Coefficients

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:36 am
by nseisel
I am a newly certified reconstructionist. My training was conducted by a local police department with most of the topics taught by IPTM. One concept we did not dive into very much was calculating stiffness coefficients for crush profiles. A and B values are the ones I am struggling with. I can get G values based on A and B values just fine. Can anyone point me in the right direction of being able to do this?

Re: Stiffness Coefficients

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:32 am
by mchenrysoftware
It is pretty straight forward
i have a page on our McHenry Forum Main point is to get all related crash tests (and sisters and clones)
and then do fits on each all together and see if any outliers, etc. etc

Our McHenry Forum also has a lot of information on Damage analysis
see Let me know if any additional questions

Brian
McHenry Software

Re: Stiffness Coefficients

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:46 am
by mchenrysoftware
OK added the instructions, please see:

Re: Stiffness Coefficients

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:20 pm
by nseisel
Thank you for the timely reply.

If I do not have access to these software programs, do you know of an actual list of formulas I can use to calculate values for b1 and then A and B?

The formula used by IPTM is as follows:

DeltaV= change in velocity
b0= zero crush speed (in/sec)
L= overall length of crush (in)
W= weight (lbs)
G= gravity (in/secsquared)

b1= (DeltaV - b0)/ L = (1/sec)
A= (W x b0 x b1)/ (G x L) = (lb/in)
B= (W x b1squared) / (G x L) = (lb/ insquared)

Does this seem correct?

Re: Stiffness Coefficients

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:40 pm
by mchenrysoftware
Ooops!
Thanks for the reminder.
I forgot to also include the conversion factors for going from the Least Square Linear fit b0 & b1 (Campbell) to A & B (Crash)
Same as the IPTM you mentioned
see:

Re: Stiffness Coefficients

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:29 am
by nseisel
Okay, good to know I was doing it correctly by hand. Thank you for your help!

Re: Stiffness Coefficients

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:03 pm
by Lasaman
tagging along this topic on stiffness coefficients...

I came across an opposing expert who presented some stiffness coefficients (A & B) for semi-trucks with no reference.
I have not seen any published studies for stiffness coefficients (A & B) for semi-trucks.
He is an ex-MAIT officer, so I have to ask, is there some police cheat sheet that they use?

Thank you.

Re: Stiffness Coefficients

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:30 pm
by mchenrysoftware
here's a related topic
Truck Crush Properties

brian

Re: Stiffness Coefficients

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:51 pm
by Lasaman
Thank you sir.

Re: Stiffness Coefficients

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:24 am
by Hebert
Lasaman wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:03 pm tagging along this topic on stiffness coefficients...

I came across an opposing expert who presented some stiffness coefficients (A & B) for semi-trucks with no reference.
I have not seen any published studies for stiffness coefficients (A & B) for semi-trucks.
He is an ex-MAIT officer, so I have to ask, is there some police cheat sheet that they use?
There were some SAE papers that suggested some pretty generic numbers (i.e.: 960897 "Updating vehicle Class Categories" by Sidall and Day) which included "Generic Data for Trucks and Dollys" as well as another table for "Trailers and Barriers." Far from being a "police cheat sheet," this came from a paper published by the Society of Automotive Engineers. If there Is a "police cheat sheet," it's most probably some sort of generic "rule of thumb" nonsense and is likely followed by more than just police reconstructionists.

In my experience, those are mostly, as the name implies, pretty generic approximations. I haven't seen any sort of meaningful specific stiffness data based on actual tests such as one might find for a passenger car either.